Making terms clear


Who are you?

If there were no Mass to attend, would you attend a Hindu service to fulfill your Sunday obligation?


If you say, “I’m a Catholic and in union with Catholics throughout time, believing the same doctrines and attending the same Mass passed down through Tradition,” you certainly are not a “Conciliar Catholic.” Conciliars accept the Council’s changes (Vatican II) and the Novus Ordo Missae (New Order Mass.) How have others responded to the changes? The following descriptions of positions and societies are intended as an overview to generally define the terms used in this publication.


Conciliar Church or New Church

There are several terms that are used to describe those who accept the new mass. The most common is “Conciliar.” Each term focuses on a particular trait  of that new religion. Conciliar Church focuses on the council that established the changes: Vatican II. New Church focuses on the departure from the historical Catholic Church (and the remnant Church of today.) Novus Ordo Church focuses on the new mass instituted by Paul 6 in 1969.



Within the broad class of “Traditionalists” are those who attend “Indult” Masses, and those of societies (that despite their disdain, have signed agreements acknowledging the New Mass as valid and licit) like the Fraternal Society of St. Peter (FSSP).



The Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) acknowledge Vatican II popes as valid in some sense, while railing against their un-Catholic acts and beliefs. In a recent interview, [with John Grasmeier,, 10/05] SSPX Bishop Richard Williamson said, “The SSPX exists only for Tradition. What is important is not that Catholics should feel warm about the SSPX, but that they should believe what the Catholic Church has always believed, and that they should understand – not an easy thing to understand! – how that belief excludes any acceptance of the new humanistic religion included and promoted in the new rite of Mass of Paul VI, and in the 16 Decrees of the Second Vatican Council.” In answer to another question he adds: “Neo-modernist Rome in particular creates rumors of three of the four being ready to be nice to ‘Rome’, while only one (who shall remain nameless) insists upon being nasty to ‘Rome’. To all friends of the SSPX, I am happy to say that there is no such division as ‘Rome’ wants to believe, or create. All four bishops believe in Catholicism, and disbelieve in ‘Rome’s’ Conciliarism, ie. the new globalist religion that burst onto the Catholic Church with Vatican II.”



Sede vacante  (Latin for vacant see) is the term used between the death of one pope and the election of another, or interregnum. “Sedevacantist” is used now to designate people who believe that no pope has been validly elected. Most sedevacantists regard Pope Pius XII as the last reigning pope.


Like most traditionalists, sedevacantists reject the changes of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965). Sedevacantists reject the council in part because of its teachings on religious liberty and ecumenism, which contradict the traditional teaching of the Church as Christ’s one true religion. In addition, they reject the New Mass. Sedevacantists cite doctors of the Church, who insist that a valid pope cannot promulgate heresy, since a heretic is not a Catholic. Further, Pope Paul IV’s 1559 Bull Cum ex apostolatus officio stipulates that a heretic cannot be elected Pope. This bull qualifies under the Vatican I definition of dogma. In addition, Canon 188.4 of the pre-Conciliar (1917) Code of Canon Law provides that a cleric who publicly defects from the Catholic faith automatically loses any office that he holds in the Church.


Is Benedict a good man; is he as holy as leaders of other religions? These questions are extraneous to the sedevacantist position.


Important incidentals bearing on their conclusions: Paul VI refused to wear the papal tiara, selling the symbol of papal authority; John Paul I, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI abandoned the papal coronation; and all four men declined to take the papal oath.


A number of priests under Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre (founder of SSPX) embraced the sedevacantist position including those now known as the Society of St. Pius V (SSPV.) Priests of various societies including the Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (CMRI, Superior General, Bishop Mark A. Pivarunas) and independent priests alike hold the sedevacante position. A list of known sedevacantist bishops includes many throughout the U.S., Canada, the Czech Republic, Mexico, Bolivia, and South Africa, and priests more widely spread.


Conclavists or Post-Sedevacantists are those who have attempted to elect a pope who would be valid. There have been numerous very doubtful elections resulting from the desperate hope to fill the vacant See. One such “conclave” elected Fr. Lucian Pulvermacher as Pius XIII in Montana.


Mysticalists are men who claim to be pope. Moreover, they claim they were not elected, but were appointed through some supernatural figure. An incomplete list includes: The late Clemente Domingues y Gomez in Seville as Gregory XVII; Julius Tischler as Peter II in Germany; Maurice Archieri as Peter II, France; Aime Baudet aka “Peter II”, Brussels, Belgium; Peter Henry Bubois aka "Peter II", Canada, etc.


Sirists claim that Giuseppe Cardinal Siri was elected pope in the Conclave of 1958 and in the Conclave of 1963 taking the name Pope Gregory XVII, but was forced under duress to resign.  Counter to this position are the facts that show Cardinal Siri in full cooperation with the Modernist Church.


Home-Aloners reject the validity of traditional Catholic priests and bishops except those ordained by bishops of Pope Pius XII, and therefore practice all possible aspects of their Faith at “home alone” especially relying on the Rosary.  (Of course there are other Catholics who would attend Masses of at least one of the traditional societies, but have none available. These also are home-aloners.)


Feeneyists or Nulla Salists: Believe “extra ecclesiam nulla salis” (EENS, outside the Church no salvation) but reject baptism of desire. Proponents accept the heretical teachings of Fr. Leonard Feeney, S.J., M.I.C.M.  Rejection of BOD and the heresy of Americanism, are distinguishing marks, which, they claim (despite evidense to the contrary,) indicate the only Faithful Catholics.


Western Orthodoxy is a movement of Catholics disaffected by the “Vatican II Reforms” that have abandoned Catholicism for Greek Orthodoxy, or other eastern religions.


Continuing Anglicanism- Catholics and Anglicans combining together against the growing modernism in their churches.


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